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| Cell (FP Post Zenkai) << Gohan SSJ2 PROOF | |
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| amsmagic | Jun 21 2012, 12:09 PM Post #1 |
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Alright, here's another fire starter I'm sure to get burnt for. But let's add the oil. I believe, contrary to EVERYTHING I've read, that Full Power Cell after his explosion Zenkai is still far below SSJ2 Gohan. Let's dive into it. (Sorry for typos or uneducated language, I'm using am iPad for this.) Now, Zenkais are power boosts given to people near death. Cell obviously has them because of the Saiyan traits, but Zenkais have never shown to give a boost such as cell got. Cell >>> SSJ2 Gohan before his Zenkai, how could he get stronger? The MAIN argh,ent is that Cell's Blast immensley damaged Gohan when he tried to save Vegeta, but Gohan simply wasn't prepared. His focus was saving Vegeta, and it's been shown previous times that when someone is unprepared for a ki blast of high magnitude, they ca still get damaged. Next thing, Gohan at 50% power (as he stated) was still able to hold off Cells kamehameha without full rage. With 50% Power! If Gohan was 100% he'd be twice as strong. The rage boost, I beleive, increased his power x2. So Gohan SSJ2 FP non enraged is still >> Cell FP post Zenkai. |
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Sep 3 2012, 07:32 PM Post #2 |
 
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Cell stated he powered up like Gohan, so he rivals the Gohan that beat his ***** pre zenkai just 30 minutes later. |
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| Ahri | Sep 3 2012, 07:33 PM Post #3 |
 
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No SPC isn't going back to Earth if Gohan is still stronger than him. SPC severely damaged SSJ2 Gohan with an attack that was meant to kill Vegeta |
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| + Kyouks | Sep 3 2012, 07:38 PM Post #4 |
 
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SPC rivals Kid Gohan, but he isn't loads weaker. Otherwise he wouldn't have come back. 50% Gohan held him off because Cell can't amplify his KHH very well or some ****. Anyways, all it means is that: 50% SSJ2 Kid Gohan's KHH > SPC's KHH >> SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC >> 50% SSJ2 Kid Gohan. |
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Sep 3 2012, 07:58 PM Post #5 |
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^^^^ huh? cell also stated that he was strong enough to beat gohan when he went full power and found out otherwise. Gohans power is deeper that thought. even gohan didnt know. all there is to it. deep down for that final push was ALL of gohans power, SPC couldnt fight it. At all, he blew up and away, devastated gohan still had so much more power, to not only match his, but go beyond. They were both at maximum, and cell confidence was built on the fact that he had hurt gohan and broke his arm. The only person that knew better was goku. The only one. |
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Sep 3 2012, 08:08 PM Post #6 |
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actually he never stated that, he just had an arrogant look on his face.
SPC was distracted when Gohan gave that last push, had he not been distracted he might have been able to hold it off a bit better. |
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| Warrior-Elite | Sep 3 2012, 08:36 PM Post #7 |
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I like to believe Cell wouldn't come back to Earth even if he knew that kid gohan would just stomp him again, with that said i place SPC as strong as SSJ2 Kid gohan or even stronger. Thats just what i think. |
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Sep 3 2012, 08:42 PM Post #8 |
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cell was distracted true enough, but only temporary, alot of people seem to think that when you are on the same level then a lack of power means you need more push. like the ssj trio VS broly. SPC was being fired on by eveyrone, not just vegeta, and vegetas biggest hand in helping was simply letting cell know he was still alive, cell had a special place for vegeta, due to his defeat of cell in his semi perfect form. so from what i have gleaned from this is that, gohan really was the only person who could hurt cell, and that if gohan really was only at 50% like he said? then cell IS weaker than we thought. I for one never thought his zenkai was all that big, one of smallest ones ever in my book. quite literally, gohan could have died from exhaustion had he not been in such good shape. In the end gohan did prove stronger than cell, and cell was glad to have reached his level, but cell was at maximum and fully appreciated what he could do with it. quite frankly? his lethality level alone is what makes him so dangerous. If gohan hadnt wanted to kill cell? he would have died imho. Goku once again knows what everyone else doesnt know, how to defeat the enemy. Its quite possible that since cell WAS at full power as SPC that if vegeta had hit him with that final flash before he changed? it would have done major damage, cause goku let it be known, even with boo, that charging a ki attack to the maximum and for an extended period does all the damage it needs. Not denying cell was strong, but its true that gohan was stronger, if he wasnt? cell would have killed him. Now how much stronger? i dont know, thats almost impossible to measure without actual info on what they could really do in those forms strength wise. Cell had it man, he was restored, at full power, and loving it. But gohans expenditure at the end is something cell couldnt match or defend against. Its almost that simple. |
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Sep 3 2012, 08:44 PM Post #9 |
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Don't even bring the Broly topic here lol. Anyways, I always had SSJ2 Gohan > SPC. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Sep 3 2012, 08:45 PM Post #10 |
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The only other person who assaulted him in Canon was Vegeta. I have SPC and SSJ2 Kid Gohan as equals. Goku said for Gohan to use his full power and not worry about any damage to the Earth, yet he still needed Vegeta's distraction to overpower Cell's Kamehameha. Plus, who's to say that Cell wasn't going all out during the clash? |
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| Prince . | Sep 3 2012, 08:51 PM Post #11 |
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I have three theories about this but I'll go with the first one : CELL WAS MUCH STRONGER THAN GOHAN. GOHAN'S VICTORY WAS PURE LUCK : Proof they gives : - Cell says he's powered up "like Gohan did and If Cell was stronger than Gohan when they were both in the Super Saiyan tier, then Cell should be stronger than Gohan when he joins the Super Saiyan 2 tier. - Cell had already been demolished by Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, and he does not at all appear to be in denial of these events. Rather, he acknowledges Gohan's strength, but still insisits that with his new power-up he's capable of beating Gohan. -The attack that Cell flung at Vegeta is described as being a "quick, uncharged blast." The blast cripples Gohan, breaking his arm, and then Gohan acknowledges that Cell's increase in power is to blame for the damage he's suffered. - The attack that Cell flung at Vegeta is described as being a "quick, uncharged blast." The blast cripples Gohan, breaking his arm, and then Gohan acknowledges that Cell's increase in power is to blame for the damage he's suffered. - Furthermore, Cell appears to just be toying with Gohan during the beam-struggle, and by shouting "Good bye!" it implies that he has yet to go all out himself, and is about to do so in order to nuke Gohan. - Goku yelling "NOW!" while Cell's attention is turned away shows that even Goku knew this was Gohan's only chance. - Cell is taken completely off-guard by Gohan's sudden surge, as shown by his surprise . - Even Piccolo and the others show surprise after Gohan won "He... did it?" http://www.7manga.com/online_manga/3824-418.html . -Cell knew how powerful Gohan was, and still believed he could win. Cell may be arrogant, but he's no fool. Gohan took heavy damage from an uncharged blast from Cell, and admitted that Cell had become far more powerful than he thought. During the beam-struggle Goku continues to claim Gohan is holding back, but Gohan insists that he isn't. Cell toys with his prey, and is just about to finish Gohan off, when Vegeta distracts him. Gohan exploits Cell's distraction and takes him off guard, which is the only reason he won. GOHAN WAS MUCH STRONGER THAN CELL. HE JUST NEEDED A LITTLE PUSH TO BELIEVE IN HIMSELF: -When Gohan took Cell's attack, he was utterly focused on reaching Vegeta. He misjudged the blast's speed, and is surprised when it hits him. The argument is that Gohan was off-guard, his defenses lowered, and all of his ki focused on speed, which is the only reason the attack harmed him. - Furthermore, Gohan hadn't believed Cell was much stronger at all which is another reason he didn't bother focusing his power on defending against Cell's attack. - Gohan has lost his confidence and didn't even want to try. Goku explained to him that he could still win. Goku is observing the events from the After Life, and knows that Gohan is still stronger than Cell. -Gohan claims that he's lost half of his ki, but he's still able to resist Cell's Kamehameha. -Gohan has lost his self confidence. Even though he thinks he's using his full power, Goku knows better, explaining that Gohan is holding back out of fear of damaging the Earth . -Finally, when Cell turned away, Gohan pushes the rest of his power into the attack. Cell is utterly obliterated. - Cell is reduced to nothing, as Gohan's kamehameha had the strength to negate his regeneration. This is based on Gohan's power--the Kamehameha was just that strong. Cell was no match once Gohan went all out. -Cell's initial confidence is due to his arrogant nature. Cell has too much pride to admit defeat, and that's why he returned and bragged that he could beat Gohan now. When he tried to kill Vegeta, Gohan was in a panic, focusing every ounce of his power toward reaching Vegeta in time. For this reason the blast took him by surprise, with his defenses lowered. That's the only reason it damaged him so much. He claimed he had lost half his power, but he really didn't. He just had poor self-esteem, having been through the trauma of his father dying, and his arm being injured at this crucial moment. Goku continued to insist that Gohan was subconsiously holding back, and when Gohan finally does cut loose, his power utterly overwhelms Cell and erases him. Although Vegeta distracting Cell was a help, it wasn't necessary, as Goku had stated he knew Gohan could still win all along. GOHAN AND CELL WERE ABOUT EQUAL IN STRENGTH: -Cell has powered up "like Gohan has" This is shown by him having the same sparking aura that Gohan does. Their powers are now very similar. Gohan was way beyond Cell when he first became Super Saiyan 2, and Cell's boost should have put them on even grounds. -Gohan didn't realize Cell would become as strong as him . That's why he thought he would beat Cell's attack to Vegeta. He aknowledges that Cell has improved more than he thought. -Gohan originally gives up because he's lost the use of his arm. He doesn't think he can overcome Cell, and it takes Goku to convince him that he can. -Gohan resists cell's Kamehameha, preventing it from instantly overwhelming him. But due to his injury, Cell has the edge. -If Cell were really much stronger than Gohan, then he'd have just blasted through Gohan's Kamehameha with his own, especially if Gohan were wounded. The fact that Gohan is still able to hold out even with this wound suggests that at their respective peaks, their powers should be very close to eachother. -Yes, Gohan releases the rest of his energy while Cell is distracted, but he still had the power to completly wipe Cell out. If Cell were that much stronger than Gohan, the Kamehameha shouldn't completly erase him. -Cell and Gohan were about equal. Same sparking aura, same "Super Saiyan 2 power." Gohan underestimated Cell at first, causing him to get careless, and lose an arm, but the size of his ki was still on par with Cell. Just because Cell thought he could win at first, doesn't mean he has to be overwhelmingly stronger than Gohan. Remember, Cell is very arrogant. The fact of the matter is, Gohan hung in there even while he was wounded, but Cell had the edge, slowly pushing his Kamehameha back. This indicates the two were dead even at their peaks, but Gohan was in a lot of pain and had lost power from Cell's earlier attack, giving Cell a slight edge during the struggle. Cell clearly has the power to kill Gohan during the struggle, as Gohan had the power to kill Cell. If Gohan was a lot stronger than Cell, he'd not have taken much damage from Cell's attack, and the beam-struggle should have been a breeze. If Cell was much stronger than Gohan, the Kamehameha shouldn't have utterly erased him. The two had to be close in power. |
 
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| Ahri | Sep 3 2012, 08:53 PM Post #12 |
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My theory is SPC = SSJ2 Cell. SPC > Gohan. My opinion. |
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| + Kyouks | Sep 3 2012, 08:54 PM Post #13 |
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The gap between SPC and Kid Gohan is pretty small. 5%, maybe 8% or something. Less than 10% for sure. To me, it's a little similar to Goku & Frieza on Namek. Both are close in power, but the winner is still, more or less, evident. In a fight, SSJ2 Kid Gohan would barely have an advantage due to Cell's regeneration, but I see him ultimately winning. Otherwise there'd be no need for AT to weaken Gohan at all for the story.
Edited by Kyouks, Sep 3 2012, 08:55 PM.
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| Ahri | Sep 3 2012, 09:22 PM Post #14 |
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I actually interpreted Gohan being weakened as a testimony to Cell's new power, not to mention to hype up the fight because it made it so hopeless (Trunks and Vegeta out for the count and Gohan at 50%) |
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| Hurry My Curry | Sep 3 2012, 09:30 PM Post #15 |
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Gohan is brought up as the power measurer in the Buu Saga. Leads me to believe Gohan > Cell. Add the fact that Cell was stated to power up like Gohan and you end up with Gohan >= Cell. I've got Cell at 95% of Gohan. |
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